Curse

WhiteAsIce · Apr 27, 2010, 06:33 AM // 06:33

The update a few months ago that changed Necrosis from spell to skill (type) seemed to hurt my old build of a Necrosis Spammer. Well, I'm now trying to formulate new ways to spam Necrosis as an Ele.
I know, I know, an Ele is supposed to nuke, which generally is AoE stuff like Fire or Earth. However, sometimes in HM, you need that armor-ignoring damage, especially since that Curses Necro is probably outdamaging you at that point. Well, with Energy Storage, that only means more energy to spam with, but how about managing that energy now that Necrosis no longer triggers ER, my old build?

This is what I came up with for now:

Curses 3
Energy Storage 12+1
Fire Magic 12+1+1
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Parasitic Bond
Necrosis
Mind Blast
Mark of Rodgort
"By Ural's Hammer!"
Technobabble/Pain Inverter
Glowing Gaze
Fire Attunement

Optimally, use a +20e fire staff.

Prime the foe with Parasitic Bond, then alternate between Necrosis and Mind Blast. Have "BUH!" on when you need to do more damage, usually at the start of a battle. Mark of Rodgort is great as an AoE hex, and also to apply burning just from wanding. Mess with enemy casters as you like.
Glowing Gaze is only there in case your energy gets low, and Mind Blast doesn't give you energy at that point.

Flagrant · Apr 27, 2010, 07:49 AM // 07:49

Interesting. I will surely try it ,coz I can't find any weakness. High damage output , excellent E-management. Maybe it can be used as a caller for Discord teams. Good job !

expugnare · Apr 27, 2010, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Tried this in HM, with the exact skills and items listed, using PI.

This is not a good build at all... its subpar dps, even for single target, it also offers little to no utility.

You are putting down a bunch of slots that could have something useful to fuel energy for Necrosis which isn't nearly as spammable as you make it out to be.

Also, Mind Blast proved pretty ineffective, and basically unnecessary, my energy was fine 99% of the time.

I think my biggest criticsm with this build is that the whole premise is built around spamming something that doesn't really need help being spammed anyway... Just bring your average SF build and throw in Necrois, BUH and Air of Sup and bam, you have something that does this nearly exactly the same.

Just my 2 cents.

Masmar · Apr 27, 2010, 05:10 PM // 17:10

5e every 2 seconds is no problem whatsoever with just normal +4 regen, no need for a build around it

syphonus · Apr 29, 2010, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Necrosis is a terrible skill.

Spamming a terrible skill makes a terrible build.

Chthon · Apr 29, 2010, 03:45 AM // 03:45

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Originally Posted by syphonus

Necrosis is a terrible skill.

Spamming a terrible skill makes a terrible build.

I wouldn't say it's terrible, but t's certainly not good enough to be the cornerstone of a build.

WhiteAsIce · Apr 30, 2010, 02:21 AM // 02:21

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Originally Posted by syphonus

Necrosis is a terrible skill.

Spamming a terrible skill makes a terrible build.

By your logic, Discord is a terrible skill.

**Marty Silverblade** · Apr 30, 2010, 03:38 AM // 03:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteAsIce

By your logic, Discord is a terrible skill.

...and your point is..?

If you actually analyse it, you generally can't justify running Discord over pretty much anything. Not to say it's useless, but it's not usually worth bringing over other elites.

Chthon · Apr 30, 2010, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by WhiteAsIce

By your logic, Discord is a terrible skill.

Yes, it is a terrible skill.

Necromas · May 01, 2010, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Necrosis is uberflare, nothing more, nothing less.

Infanta · May 09, 2010, 01:14 AM // 01:14

Discord by it's self is a fairly low DPS but building a team around it with the purpose of spiking mobs quickly it is very effective, especially in HM where ele skills are crap and mobs scatter at any sign of AoE.

**Marty Silverblade** · May 09, 2010, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by Infanta

Discord by it's self is a fairly low DPS but building a team around it with the purpose of spiking mobs quickly it is very effective, especially in HM where ele skills are crap and mobs scatter at any sign of AoE.

Uh... not really.

See my comparison here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/d...t10434120.html

Specifically these:

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

If you want us to fix your Discord bars*, you'll have to post them.

*I'd fix them by dumping them altogether and starting again. Seriously, Discord is only worshiped by so many people because those people suck and Discord works in such a way that it doesn't matter what you do. You're a physical, try running physical based builds.

Look at these: 1 2 3. That's not exactly what I'm running, but it's a million times better than Discord. That ER probably provides more healing and support than all the Resto stuff that's consuming one and a half bars (referencing the Discord build on PvX). Getting the resto out of the way means you can spec into attributes that actually get the job done.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banane-O-Man

Well how good are these builds in terms of support. I run the basic pvx builds, the only thing I changed is that I replace enfeebling blood by Withering Aura. And I also run discord so I can duo it with my friend, we do a lot of stuff together.

The support is fine. As people have mentioned, they've done all their vanquishing/HM Missions with Discord. The problem is the offense is seriously lacking.

Referencing this: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build%3ATeam_-_Discordway

First hero bar: Discord is worth 35DPS, and there's a bit from the Shamblings as well.
Second hero bar: 37DPS from Discord.
Third hero bar: Should produce some half-decent DPS from the MB bits. 38DPS from Discord.

Discord isn't nearly as impressive when you look at it like that.

Another thing: People seem to have their goals confused. The point isn't to make some uber impenetrable fortress of unkillableness. The point is to kill everything. You need enough healing and support to be able to stay alive long enough to unload tons of damage. Offense really is the best defence in PvE. Not to say sloppy defence is acceptable, but filling multiple bars with resto stuff when one ER will do the job (and do it better) is just slowing you down.

Now lets compare the DPS of the bars I posted.

ER hero: None. However, ER allows you to pretty much go full offense (or offensive utility) on the other bars.
SoS Smiter: 36DPS from SoS, 12 from Bloodsong, 10.3*no of adjacent foes from AR, 118DPS from SW (assuming you've got 3 adjacent foes, which is reasonable if you've got half-decent aggro techniques), 49DPS from SoH (assuming it's on 2 physicals with 1.33 second weapons with IAS's), plus a bit more from Smite Hex+Condition. All up, thats 256.2DPS (AR follows the same assumption as SW). That's more than your entire hero setup, and it's managed to get a con and hex removal in.
MB: A large chunk. Not going to bother working it out, since it'll be annoying and I've made my point.

tl;dr: Discord supports fine but wastes pretty much most of the bars and attributes on it. No room for offense (don't tell me Discord alone is good DPS) and no room to put physical buffs without sacrificing support.